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Trading Injured Players A Tricky Situation

It is always a risk to make a deal involving an injured player.  I experienced this personally in the RotoAuthority league this year, as I swapped Cliff Lee for a recently-DL'd Rafael Furcal on May 13th.   Furcal hasn't played a single game for my team, while Lee has a 3.68 ERA, 1.29 WHIP, 7.8 K/9, and 8 wins in 93 innings since our trade.

There were no ethical issues with the Furcal deal - Los Genius and I had access to the same information at the time of the deal.  At that time, Furcal was expected back on May 21st.  He ended up having back surgery on July 2nd, and will return in September at best. 

On the other hand, if you acquired Rich Harden on the cheap when he hit the DL on April 10th, you'd have been rewarded with a 2.19 ERA, 1.06 WHIP, 11.6 K/9, and 5 wins in 90.3 innings since.  If you're a gambler, acquiring injured players is high risk, high reward.

In the RotoAuthority Silver League, a situation developed involving John Maine.  I won't get into the he-said, she-said.  But it sounds like Joel Hanrahan was offered for Maine.  At the time of the offer Maine was known to be ailing but not yet on the DL.  He hits the DL, then the offer is accepted.  The league chose to veto the trade.

Simple solution: don't allow the league to veto trades.  I completed a deal earlier this year with Mike Silver, where I sent him Conor Jackson for Yovani Gallardo.  In Gallardo's next start he tore his ACL.  Bad luck for me, but it would've been wrong to overturn the deal even if it was still in the approval period.  As I've said, I find it ridiculous that most leagues have owners vote on each other's trades.  This another reason why.


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Here's an interesting story from this season.

On a Thursday, I emailed another owner to offer him John Smoltz in exchange for Adam Dunn. He said he'd ponder it.

On Sunday morning, he sent me the offer: Smoltz for Dunn. I wanted to accept, but I hesitated, because Smoltz was starting that day. Why? Not sure -- maybe I just wanted to make sure Smoltz didn't throw a no-hitter or something. (It's stupid to make a trade or not based on day, but whatever.)

So I left the trade unanswered. When I got home that night, I noticed that Smoltz had been removed from the game with a stiff shoulder. Not a big deal, I thought, since he'd had a bum shoulder since spring training and been lights out for a month. The trade was still on the table, so I took it. However, I told the other owner that if something catastrophic happened to Smoltz, I'd undo the trade.

Of course, something catastrophic did happen and we reswapped the players a few days later.

I'm perfectly happy with how it was handled all around -- I don't regret accepting the trade, or offering to rescind it. I do, however, wonder what would have happened if I'd accepted it that morning, before Smoltz's start. In a sense, I'm glad I didn't, because there would have been no logic to rescinding the trade in that case.

All of which is to say, most of these issues come down to goodwill among owners. I play in a league with friends and, while wildly competitive, no one wants to win by fleecing someone else. And I would never, ever play in a league with vetoes. I've heard too many horror stories: it's a ridiculous system. If you don't have a commissioner you trust to oversee these things, you should find another league.

I do often think how the year would be different if I'd had Dunn's 25 or so homers since that trade was rescinded, instead of Smoltz getting shot behind the barn.

I feel your pain on the injury thing: This year I lost Smoltz, Furcal, and Gallardo. The only big one I side-stepped was Ortiz.

I heartily agree. I've seen owners drop out of competitive leagues due to having thier trades vetoes. Each owner should be free to make as good or bad a trade as they see fit, barring collusion.

If someone makes you an offer for a healthy player, and the offer sits there, and then your player gets injured and you run to accept it, this is the act of a child. People who would do this are a$$holes, and should be promptly booted from the league.
These are situations that should be vetoed. Now, if a player gets injured during the trade review process, this is a totally different story.

Lastly, I am very happy with the Furcal-Cliff Lee trade.

At first I agreed with Los Genius here, but really, the team that offered the trade in the first place has just as much time as the accepting team to go in and cancel the offer before they can accept it. This is not an example of a veto-able trade IMO.

Though, if a league has a few players (which at the very least most public leagues end up having) that choose to just offer up one sided trades for the fun of it since they know they have no chance by 3/4 mark of the season, those trades should be vetoed for the better of the league. If you're in a trustworthy league this isn't ever an issue however.

Ok - I'm one of the owners who vetoed the Maine for Hanrahan trade. And I feel compelled to explain myself.

First, I'm all for owners making bad trades. That's part of the game.

Personally, I think trading Hanrahan for Maine is a total steal - but if everyone was healthy, I'd say congrats to the team who got Maine.

But it's important to note in this case that the trade was only accepted after Maine went on the DL.

In real life - which is generally what we're trying to replicate here - if a player shows up to his new team and doesn't pass the physical, the league vetoes the trade.

Period. End of story.

That's exactly what happened in this case.

You can't compare this to the Gallardo or Furcal situations earlier this year. They aren't the same.

I can't agree that trades ought never to be vetoed; there needs to be space to void trades that clearly demonstrate collusion.

That said, it's good form to discuss a trade for a player who becomes injured after the offer's made, before finalizing the deal. (That's from BOTH sides.) I wouldn't veto a deal that got accepted in light of new information, but I'd be likely never to trade with someone whose player got hurt and then accepted in a hurry.

Oh, I'm loving trades involving injuries this week in my keeper league. Turned Justin Duscherer into a Billy Wagner rental last Tuesday. Ooops.

But then, I just traded a low-salary Andy Sonnanstine for a high-salary, currently DLed Chipper Jones yesterday. No outcry yet, though we do have a very rarely employed trade veto policy in this league.

I'm undecided about vetos. I had asituation nlast year where I traded PosD and a middle reliever for grad sizemore. I needed an OF and the other guy needed a C. The league owner vetoed the deal. Other owners came to my defense to no avail. Weeks later, the owner traded 3 part-time players for Pujols. Half the league protested but the owner defended himself with wild projections for the plaers he got rid of and kept Pujols. It was a Yahoo league so I couldn't drop out. I made it my quest to beat the owner at every turn while other participants just didn't take care of their team. Bad feelings for the whole season. Further he restricted team moves.
I won that league but lost in the playoffs. I rubbed it in the owners face all year long. The owner finished way down in the standings. I will never join a league where the owner has ultimate control like that.

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